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too much suffering
the amount of disgrace that the characters of this series had to go through was too much.I had to take saveral breaks before finishing this season. I thought of dropping it several times.
If only half of it have happened to them would have been more enjoyable and believable as a story.
I mean two memory losses! come on!
I’m only giving 7 because I really enjoyed the first season. I wished they just had eloped than.
if you like to see a lot of suffering this series is for you.
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Not as good as part 1
While I absolutely loved part 1, part 2 felt disjointed. ML and FL had a lot more interactions but before they did, but the story had way too many useless characters and frustrating plotlines.There were a lot of scenes where ML and FL almost met but missed each other by a hair. At first, it was ok, but later became very frustrating because the writers overdid it. Some characters and storylines were pointless. What was the deal with the Chinese princess and her unrequited love for Jang Hyun? It didn't move the plot forward, but created unnecessary conflict that was more frustrating than meaningful. The princess got no character development and her arc ended in a very underwhelming way. She was cruel and selfish, and I expected Jang Hyun to deal with her in a smart way. But he told her he was leaving and she accepted it, the end. Gil Chae getting abducted to Qing also felt off. It was a tool for her to meet Jan Hyun, but the plotline felt like a forced cop out, rather than a natural story progression.
It also felt like the writers changed their mind with the direction of the story. They made a big deal about women being abused in one household because of a jealous wife. But Gil Chae spent very little time there, then left, and that was it. The arc with Gil Chae marrying the sergeant was also completely pointless. It was another tool to keep ML and FL apart for a bit longer without serving any other purpose.
The entire part 2 felt like a forced attempt to continue with the story post war, except there was not as much conflict and action. A lot of story arcs felt uninspired and forced. I wish the war plotline wouldn't have ended in part 1. This was when the story was at its best.
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Lacking compared to part1
My review is for the second half of the drama rather than the entire drama. I quite loved the first half (part 1) but this second half (part 2) was so much more weaker.The first 3 episodes are decent, there are light moments (when you compare to the tragedies of the first part) and hope. But episodes 4 - 9 were such a drag to watch. You get brief moments of happiness and then problems. To the point that it seemed like a never-ending mess. I was prepared for a tragic ending. Apart from that, the story was really moving slowly with not much happening. You can easily watch these episodes on 2x because everyone talks so slowly.
Some of the characters really annoyed me. One being the king. He was so hell bent on retaining power and his position that he lost trust in everyone including his ministers, his son, and his people. To target his own people who already faced so much was simply unforgiveable according to me. What does loyalty mean if the other party unreasonably wants to sentence you to death in order to feel "peace"?
The other character was the scholar who acted all noble and could see that the king's fears are driving him to cruelty and he made the same exact choices by giving into his unreasonable fears. Though it just proved that he was always a cruel man and he never regretted his part mistakes. He would repeat them again without much hesitation.
Finally, it was Officer Gu, who we all knew was not worthy of marrying Gil Chae.
It's easy to blame the "barbarians" for the sufferings of the people of Joseon but this part highlighted that the people of Joseon were far more cruel to their own. They abandoned their own family and wives and sisters and daughters if they deemed them to be "tainted" and were obsessed with keeping Joseon "clean". They were willing to kill their own by labelling them as traitors without proof. They forced women to kill themselves. They humiliated anyone who survived. They truly disgusted me because instead of easing each others suffering and giving each other comfort after all the hardships and sorrows, they rejected and ridiculed them instead. They didn't allow their own people to heal. So the real traitors were the ones who escaped "unscathed". Problem is, I don't know if majority of the audience will understand this because of the way it was presented. Unless you can relate to being "othered" in your own country, it's unlikely that most of the audience will understand this aspect of the story because of the way it is presented. It will probably get sidelined as an aspect of war.
The last two episodes were the best compared to the rest of this part. Though there are again unnecessary hurdles and part of me wanted to know what happened to all the politics that we were forced to suffer through, I am glad we were not forced to suffer more on the leads' story front. If not for the last 2 episodes, I would have certainly scored this part lower just for those middle episodes. The male lead also said and did all the right things and he truly was a blessing for everyone. The growth of the female lead was also nice to see and a good contrast between part 1 and 2.
One aspect they glossed over is what exactly happened to Ryang Eum.
The OST of this show continues to be enjoyable.
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Drama storico/sentimentale
(è la continuazione di Lovers ... non so perché siano stati divisi e denominati diversamente ... è sempre lo stesso film e quindi riporto la recensione scritta per Lovers)nel quale ho intravisto 3 ispirazioni/rimandi da cui gli sceneggiatori han preso.
La prima ispirazione (molto ben rimarcata fino al terzo/quarto episodio) è al colossal "Via col vento". E' un chiaro rifacimento in versione Coreana del filmone del 1939, con la differente guerra che in "Via col vento" era civile, mentre qui è di difesa dall'invasione dei Cinesi. C'è una storia d'amore, c'è un'eroina che da frivola civetta diventerà una donna a tutto tondo, capace di difendere le persone che ama, riconoscere il vero amore, sacrificare la sua vita per il bene degli altri. Il tutto attraverso la catarsi della sofferenza provata sulla sua pelle.
Il secondo richiamo o ispirazione, riguarda il personaggio principale, Lee Jang Hyun, recitato da un Nam Goong Min, che ho molto apprezzato nella sua versione gigionesca in Chief Kim, divertente e dissacrante. Si tratta di Schindler's List - La lista di Schindler è un film dramma storico, del 1993 diretto da Steven Spielberg, che narra la storia e la vita di Oskar Schindler, l'imprenditore tedesco che riuscì a salvare dall'olocausto tra i 1000 ed i 1300 ebrei. Ecco il vero eroe di questo drama è lui, la versione Coreana di questo imprenditore cinico e senza scrupoli, che a contatto con la sofferenza di esseri umani trattati in modo diabolico, fa uscire la grandezza della sua umanità e si trasforma nel loro salvatore, mettendo in gioco la sua vita e il suo denaro.
La terza citazione è legata non a un film vero e proprio, ma ai fatti della Storia di Nazioni e popoli che hanno subito purghe e sofferenze inenarrabile per una VISIONE IDEOLOGICA del BENE DEL POPOLO. Mi vengono in mentre dalla rivoluzione d'ottobre del 1917, alle dittature Staliniste, Marxiste applicate alla Cina, alla Russia e a tutti i popoli ancora assoggettati a IDEOLOGIE umanistiche o religiose. Nel drama, la sceneggiatura sottolinea che la visione ideologica del bene del popolo, porta acqua al mulino del potente di turno, che con l'uso di ideali confuciani come "lealtà", "pietà filiale", "benevolenza", e "fiducia", schiaccia e opprime le persone e il Popolo.
E' un filmone che, come Guerra e Pace, è lungo, molto prolisso, con scene in cui i personaggi parlano con una lentezza esasperante, come se stessero valutando al momento cosa dire ... quindi in un primo tempo l'avevo droppato ... poi con calma (vista la quantità di bravi attori, di mezzi e fotografia messi in campo) l'ho ripreso e sono arrivata fino in fondo.
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en sevdiğim dizi
çiçeklerin sesi kulaklarımda çınlıyor, diziyi hatırladıkça paramparça kalbim avuçlarıma düşüyor , kaldıramıyorum. İZLEYİN EN SEVDİĞİM DİZİ İZLEYİN ÇİÇEKLERİN SESİ İÇİN İZLEYİN BAŞYAPIT MÜKEMMEL KİMSE NEDEN BU DİZİ HAKKINDA KONUŞMUYOR BEN NORMALDE ÇOK FAZLA AĞLAYAN BİR İNSAN DEĞİLİM AMA BU DİZİNİN FİNALİ DAHİL NEREDEYSE HER SAHNESİNDE AĞLADIM LÜTFEN BİRİNCİ SEZONUN İLK 4 BÖLÜMÜNE KATLANIN SONRASINDA AŞIK OLACAKSINIZVond je deze recentie nuttig?
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my dearest vs. the red sleeve
i have two words only: absolutely mindblowing!much has been analyzed about my dearest solely itself, but i wanted to use this review to stir conversation and draw some comparisons to another fantastic (and may i dare add, even more intriguing) sageuk-- the red sleeve-- in order to encapsulate my frustrations with the storyline of my dearest's main couple and where i see room for improvement.
(warning: some major spoilers ahead for the red sleeve).
1) equality of contributions in their relationship.
what the red sleeve does so well, even amidst a severe power imbalance between a crown prince and his court maid, is demonstrate that the ML and FL view each other as equals. despite the FL's lowly status of a court maid, she saves the ML on multiple occasions that made my heart SWOON, which ultimately restores balance to their power dynamic and also, reaffirms their mutual love for each other. that is what makes the love between them so discernible to the audience. i could FEEL it in my toes.
on the other hand, what was so frustrating in my dearest is jang-hyun's constant unreciprocated affection toward gil-chae. though both shows have this period of "unrequited love" from the MLs to the FLs, although refusing to become the crown prince's concubine, the red sleeve's FL constantly contributed to their relationship and protected the prince as much as the prince is protecting her, which made their affection for each other palpable. although the FL denies her feelings for him, you can see through her facade and really feel her love for him even with their massive gap in social status (which i'll delve into later). as for my dearest, although jang-hyun's love for gil-chae was so painstakingly obvious, i never felt as if gil-chae reciprocated it. the discrepancy between number of times he has protected her vs. the number of times she has protected him is just too large to imagine gil-chae loving jang-hyun with the same intensity and depth in which he loves her. honestly, as part 2 progressed, i started to pity jang-hyun immensely for his all-consuming passion for someone who seemed like she was indebted to him rather than her being in love. i also think this inequality in their respective contributions to their relationship is made worse with the durations of both shows. TRS is 17 episodes in compared to MD's 21, which may have helped me overcome the excruciating unrequited love phase and hang on to TRS's story much more than MD's.
2) the driving obstacle toward their relationships
in the red sleeve, we've always understood why the main couple could not be together; as a concubine, the FL would lose her freedom and be entirely devoted to a man who simply cannot be entirely devoted to her. what made their story so tragic is that their circumstances are entirely out of their control; it was fate that made the FL a court lady and the ML a prince. in addition, the pay-off of the couple finally getting together was truly rewarding in that the audience finally witnesses how becoming a concubine heartbreakingly stripped the FL of her personality and charm. the regret that she feels for giving in to the prince is tangible. the warning that she has been alerting both the prince and the audience over the entire course of the drama has finally (and tragically) come to fruition.
however, for my dearest, the obstacles that inhibited their relationship was the intervention of other characters as well as a simple lack of communication. to me, rather than tragic, these roadblocks were frustrating. to prove to gil-chae that he truly truly was committed to her, jang-hyun should've told her about the dozens of pairs of floral shoes he purchased during his agonizing time in simyang. to show jang-hyun that she was in love with him, gil-chae should've cleared up that his "younger brother" literally told her that he was dead, and also that she was staying with officer gu because she had a duty to her family, not because she didn't love him. their poor communication eventually lead to misunderstandings and it was KILLING me. furthermore, i never felt as if the pay-off of jang-hyun and gil-chae getting back together was as satisfying because their entire story was soon marred with hardship that seemed if it had no end.
despite these frustrations, my dearest has been an absolute roller-coaster exploring love in its most pure, raw, and honest shapes and sizes. jang-hyun's love and devotion toward gil-chae was so admirable. and alas, despite both being sageuks, the red sleeve and my dearest are two completely separate shows with separate romances featuring separate issues of the time period. either way, i highly highly recommend my dearest to those looking for a truly epic, slow-burn love story!
(on a final note, i wish men like jang-hyun were real.)
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Halfway and I lost interest, too much self-pity and crying
I wasn't loving part 1 as I found the dynamic between the lead is a bit childish and drags. Part 2 comes and first 4 episodes hit me with massive emotional train wreck, so painful yet so beautiful. What stands out to me compared to the previous season is this new dynamic among the hunter woman, Jang Hyun ang Gil Chae. She has so much passion and her motivation is interesting, so she elevate the stake. I'm in for their painful future stories.Cinematography is just as stunning as the previous part. The shots are very captivating, that you can't help but admired. Trigger warning: the torture scenes realistically gruesome, comparable to few historicals Mr. Sunshine and Empress Ki. I guess it is to highlight the degradation that Joseon went through during this historical time. Great and emotional acting by all cast! Namkoong Min has rightly been receiving praise for his accolade and I enjoyed his chemistry with Lee Chung Ah. Honestly, they look great together in all situations.
Even if it won't happily ever after, at least I hope the struggles of our heroes come to an end soon because all of them goes through so much pain already. Every little hopeful moment counts, even though I don't know how it's going to end.
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what the fuck was this?
the only thing good about this kdrama was the acting.the amnesia trope being introduced twice in FIVE episodes.
the fucking second lead blaming HIS WIFE for almost being raped instead of comforting her and then WANTING her back as if he was not a fucking piece of shit?
hating the male lead after he protected his ass so many times during the war, and wanting him dead???
the plot of the war with qing was NOT resolved, the only thing resolved was the romance plot!
ryang eum ending up LOCKED UP for being insane?? when he isn't??? what the fuck is up with that??? him being the only one with grey hair at the end altho he is one of the youngest in the series????
just what the fuck did i watch? i wasted my time for this and i regret watching it. it was not worth it.
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PART 2 CRINGE FROM PART 1 - the power of domination
"watching people want to live when they have been taken captive, seems so pathetic in my eyes"Part 2 always cringe. And my beloved Princess Qing, is right, it is pathetic indeed, to be a slave.
Always stupid and ridiculous characters, eithout any development and positive elements
The ministers are more reasonable and normal characters. You have been conquered, accept your fate as slaves and deportation.
Some of the useless characters lose their lives (finally).
The two protagonists are the same as the first episode of part 1, without development or maturity.
It is also annoying that they are still called "intruders" when we are almost completely conquered in China (end of 1642-1643). The Han of the Ming Dynasty would have the right to do so, not the slaves. How beautiful the market was❤️
The only nice thing is to see the Qing conquest after a few years, and the few Qing that are seen. CONQUEST POWER.
The Princess of the Qing Dynasty is the only decent woman, and decent character, in the whole drama, along with those of the Qing Dynasty. The drama, in the first part, deals with the years 1636-1637, in the second part 1642-1645.
The useless Crown Prince and Princess die, and they deserve it.
The ML protagonist remembers of creepy stalkers, it's as trashy as the drama (unwatchable). The story is not at all believable from any point of view ( what kind of behaviours??)
Princess Qing is literally the best, strong, pragmatic although kind-hearted. She much better than all the spineless Korean characters, both male and female. 0 courage.
Nonsense ending fanservice for the fans of an actor ( are they arelly actors?) who doesn't even know how to act, like the whole cast. Inaccuracy of the costumes can be clearly seen.
Not recommended at all. This is too comic relief.
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"그 무엇이든, 난 길채면 돼."
Of course, romance is what the drama primarily is, but it is not a sweet one. Just as equal of a part is the political rivalries inside and outside of the country that only bring tragedy and destruction to the lives of regular people. Another the themes played, another one is the loyalty to the state VS the loyalty to the people.🔸️The main character is the person of free thought and nonconformity to the traditional society structure. He doesn't believe in sacredness of marriage, "purity", he doesn't evaluate someone's worth based only on their social status. And why would he? He experienced the highs and lows. But don't be tricked by this character because he is not an ideological hermit, and asceticism is the last thing he would ever want. He plays by the rules to improve his wealth and help those in need. Lee Jang Hyeon, although he is indeed great in business, doesn't lack empathy and courage despite his unwillingness to give up on his image of an unapproachable privileged weirdo. He is devoted to helping the lower class citizens wronged by their own government that had to protect them. Jang Hyeon will and does go out of his way if somebody relies on him desperately, even if that will cause issues with the aristocracy and the King himself.
The drama doesn't aim to appeal to the modern viewer through Lee Jang Hyeon. Rather, on the contrast with him, it shows the traditional old and prejudiced society where the life of a woman was expected to end in shame if she was sexually harassed or raped. This narrative of women suffering from the old customs is present throughout the whole drama, and it plays a significant role in the story. Gil Chae and almost all the female characters suffer from this ostracism, as if invasion of Qing, enslavement and food scarcity is not enough. Seemingly, the shared struggle should unite the people, but in this case almost everyone faced humiliation from the invaders, and probably sought out to blame someone else to feel better for themselves.
🔸️I appreciate the drama for not reserving to only bleak or only bright colors and for allowing heartwarming and hilarious moments among the violence, blood, and uncertainty of mid-Joseon. Although, in my opinion, the drama suffers from the repetitiveness in relationships between Gil Chae and Jang Hyeon that made me grow tired by the final. 12-16 episodes would be just fine with no need to divide the release in 2 parts, which also made me feel like the buzz around it gets lower despite the ratings doubling ×2.4 from the first to the last episode.
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This is why it got extended? Repeated scenes, flashbacks, flashbacks, and repeated plotlines?Yeah this season had great character growth but it also had 11 dragged out reason just so “they didn’t get together” as if them staying together was the only point they feared they had nothing when they finally got together
I think I made s1 a 9 from 8ish but yeah that ending was DISAPPOINTING
Another freaking amnesia??? They should be lucky I didn’t give a 1
The war? The fight? two people just committed suicide or died.. that’s not the ending
And their final scene with the horrible blurred background, what did they record it in the studio
No wonder her first dream was her chasing him, it was one big long chase
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a review for both part's 1 and 2
"Do you hear that? The sound of flowers blooming"I was sold. I was seated.
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I devoured this drama in 2 days and lost my sleep for the beautiful narration it truly was. Mind you i have 3 pending kdramas as of 12/29 but i mindlessly put it on hold just to reserve myself to see this drama through...
I initially came across this drama when MBC released its trailer. it caught my attention but i guess it wasn't enough to get me out of the kdrama slump i was at the time😂 THANKS TO TIKTOK it resurfaced on my fyp and gave this a shot!!
Many say it starts off slow and picks up at 3rd-4th episode however i do not feel the same. From the first episode till the last few minutes of episode 21–i loved every bits of it.
I seldom writing reviews and reserve writing allat for dramas deserving. I can confidently say its well within my #10 all time best kdrama and #1 sageuk drama. Easily Nam Goong Min's and Ahn Eun Jin's best roles portrayals out of their filmographies.
Do i recommend?
Yes. Yes. Yes. Though be prepared for the rollercoaster and tearjerker it will be. If you suvived scarlet heart/moon lovers, then you wont have much trouble going through all the episodes. It is depressing. Sad. Dark.
I came for the romance but also stayed for the history of Joseon. I found myself sympathizing for the plight and the women of Joseon endured. This drama portrays all of the character's story so well—so much depth and well thought and written characters.
I miss my JangChae already☹️❤️
I'm in "i wish i could watch it like the first time" moment🥲
WELL my yapping ends now.
It has been awhile since i felt this empty after watching a kdrama. The void left in me will be hard to fill in.🥴
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