kekeke. the surprise attic on top of KJK's room that was never opened for 7 years, and filled with old things that he never threw away is fascinating to me LOL.
kekeke. they really know how to insert many short quirky scenes in each episode that really crack you up, LOL. in this episode it was the police ahjussi at Yoon Jae In's workplace and her aunt, LMAO.wow, the ML/FL duo fighting scene at the hallway of that gangster company. that was so well done! loved how Park Jin Young is a small framed person, and he uses his light body in a fluid way to take down his opponents. he also knows how to tackle someone with a sharp weapon LOL, THAT WAS SMOKING HOT, I SWEAR! reminds me of Lee Joon Gi's fighting style.in fact i really like this kind of body shape in a man, instead of the bulky type. the way they make use and moves their body is so fascinating to watch.also, that kiss at the end OMG. when she finally extended her hands first for a handshake and psychometric read by him, he looked at her with so much love. because he knows he already falls in love, and that his wait is finally over.gosh, i can rewatch that scene a million times. THIS DRAMA HAS BEEN NOTHING LESS THAN PERFECT!!!
Prosecutor Kang stop attacking us with your insane charisma, geezzz!
kekeke! the way his foolishness and her smart ass brain match so well LOL, i am ascending.also, when Prosecutor Kang got on the TV show to plea the public who knows Kang Hee Sook, the dead woman who was found in the suitcase, the newscaster asked him about the other woman who is now suspected to have stolen the dead woman's identity. because he's mad that the question was already discussed not to be asked, he calmly evaded it and then took off his mic and got his arse off the table real quick while still on-air LOL. THE WAY HE'S FCKIN HOT LIKE THAT!!! goodness gracious.also, the romance is blooming beautifully OMG i can't deal. the scene when they were at the library, a small case of a girl was accused of stealing library book, Lee Ahn cutely hide behind Jae In when the accused girl shoved him off LOL. but then at the end of the episode he is the one protecting Jae In and covering her with his winter coat because she doesn't have the bean bag that she always uses when having panic attack.I FCKIN LOVE THEIR TANDEM!!! IT REALLY COULDN'T GET MORE PERFECT THAN THIS.p/s i also feel like this was the kind of supernatural-mystery-romance kdrama that SWDBS aspired to be, but could never LOL.the writer and director-nim are truly masterful here, i am so enjoying this!
it's crazy how masterful this drama is being done!
crazy how there are multiple peaks/twists in just one episode. definitely didn't see that car/truck chase scene coming as early as ep. 5, and how Lee Ahn got stabbed by the murderer. also this drama is a bit bipolar LOL, one second they make you wanna cry like a b*tch, the next second they give you major anxiety duhhh. the scene when all the three lead characters were celebrating the anniversary of their parent's deaths was so sad. it's sadder for Lee Ahn because the day of the apartment complex fire was actually his birthday (his parent's death). geez, fate is so cruel on him.A REALLY GREAT DRAMA!! this has really exceeded my expectations in many fronts.
kekeke! i am totally in my element watching this. this drama has about ALL that i fckin love in a kdrama:1. quirky ML (he's a bit like a clown here LOL, so funny) AND really solid acting2. strong, smart FL3. mysterious SML4. love line/double love line5. good mystery6. great pace7. serial murder cases hahah - gotta love those!8. smooth AF storytelling
my goodness this drama is amazing!!first off the acting is really top notch. i feel like Park Jin Young's acting style really reminds me of Yoo Seung Ho's, especially the high schooler character he plays in My Strange Hero. PJY is a very energetic actor LOL, it's really fun seeing him own every scene that he's in. the FL's acting is great too, and her acting during the panic attack scenes are on point.also love Kim Kwon's character here. he reminds me of Seo In Guk's character in Hello Monster, the cold and mysterious but competent problem solver. his tandem with the female detective is great too, LOL.love the way the story has unfolded so far. she stood up to the bully Math teacher, and then he eventually took revenge on her by revealing that she's a daughter of a murderer. no wonder she moved schools so often. now she disappeared again, and i feel his pain because he looked for her everywhere but she already left. but then we already got a fast forward to 2 years in the future where both are now no longer high schoolers, yasss!i just love the way and pace by which the drama is unfolding. this is really a quality drama, i am enjoying every moment of it. ^^Park Jin Young reminds me of Jang Dong Yoon a lot, whom i watched in Class of Lies (albeit a rookie project of his). these two are definitely top of my fave list for young actors!
cried at the huge misfortune and laughed at the silly situation particularly the ones that the ML had to go through now that he lives a normal life of a commoner (i.e. he gets bullied, LOL). this drama is ticking my sweet spot all over, kekeke.i particularly love the casting, everyone is phenomenal in their roles. and the story is interesting too. didn't expect the Queen to come off strong like that in front of the evil grandfather who's the leader of Pyunsoo Group. even knowing that they killed the King and installed a fake prince to be enthroned as the new King and was asked for her approval to let the Bureau of Water Supply to have full authority to print money, she didn't let them get their way but blocked their intention completely. wow, really amazing! she's definitely stronger and smarter than her king husband who's now dead LOL. good fckin riddance, what an eyesore.i was very discouraged to start this because the highly upvoted reviews seem to suggest that this drama wasn't good. but not a single second have i not enjoyed this so far. this also happened to me with The Royal Gambler, when i end up totally enjoying it despite whatever criticisms.they definitely seem to have enough materials to push through 20 episodes with flying colours. i can't wait to be proven that i am right!
(copy pasted)I want to say they did an excellent job with the story. The pros and cons of having a separate Juvenile Justice system was a real talking point. The 4 boys represented the cons while the detective is a shining example of the pros. In the lawyer's final interview she acknowledges that the Laws of Minors are not the real problem but that fact that the laws need to be applied evenly and equally to all minors. Community service was not sufficient punishment even for minors because the crime was so serious. However, Minors in the Justice system are given and should be given the change to learn responsibility and repent. Reformation is the goal.The show also did a great job getting into the psychological aspects of characters. All 4 boys grew up into pitiful human beings. If that incident didn't happen or if they had been punished for that incident then chances are that at least 2 of the 4 men might have turned out differently. Even Bum commented that because the events for 1999 are in the back of their minds they dance even without music. He knows he has been shaped by that day. Finally, our lawyer shows her inner conflict as she gets ready to take her life. We realize that this mother feels incompetent and blames herself for her child's death. She lived with such great pain of loss, with feelings of confusion, of wanting to master the law, of hatred, of the desire for vengeance but all along the most compelling feeling she faced was her self loathing. The way she lived, the empty apartment, the rice with soy sauce, and even sleeping on the floor are all little details of the fact she could never forgive herself. So in the end she kills herself. Her death was not in payment for the 3 murders and much as it was for herself. In death she found peace and forgiveness. She embraces her daughter as she drowns. Beautiful scene but sad and disturbing.--------------------------------------------------------------------------About the Law: Because I'm reading a few comments down below I want to discuss the Law. We should all understand how the legal system works and why certain Laws exist. More specifically, we should understand and separate the facts from the fiction here:1) She already explained that she no longer see's laws for minors as a problem as she acknowledges the detective who is reformed and an upstanding member of civilization.2) Double Jeopardy: Here she is right about double jeopardy as it applies to older crimes but the show fails to actually address the law correctly.In South Korea Double Jeopardy is a little different than in USA. It is instead similar to Canada. This means a case CAN be tried at the next level of court. Only when the Supreme Court hands down a verdict does Double Jeopardy apply.Let me explain. A crime is tried at a district court first. If either the prosecution or the defense is unhappy or has more evidence they have a period of time to appeal. Next it can be tried at the high court level. Again both the prosecution and the defense has equal right to request an appeal. Finally, it goes to the Supreme Court. At this level whatever the verdict is made is the absolute final verdict. After this verdict is out there can be no Double Jeopardy.In this show, the lawyer could have still been taken to the next level of the court system. Double Jeopardy did not apply to her yet.Now that we understand the actual law let us look at how it applies and why it exists. This law is influenced by ancient Greek and Roman justice systems. In the United States our Constitution protects citizens from Double Jeopardy. In other nations like South Korea their laws also protect citizens from Double Jeopardy.Notice the term used is "protect" citizens. Why does prohibiting Double Jeopardy protect citizens? If a person can be tried for the same crime over and over without limit than the Justice system can be abused by those in power and more frighteningly the government. A man robs a store. He is tried and found innocent by a court. But the Prosecution doesn't like the outcome and can try him a 2nd time and then a 3rd time and then 50 times. There will be nothing to stop the government from abusing and harassing average citizens. This means minorities suspected of crimes will be at a disadvantage. It means the poor will be at a disadvantage while the milliliters can afford to hire defense for dozens of trials the poor and the middle class will never be able to afford it.Also, Double Jeopardy is misunderstood in how it is applied to a specific crime and what prosecutions for the same offense actually means. I will give an example:Case A.The driver of a car is a teenager, does not have a driver's licence yet(perhaps a learner's permit), is drunk, and is speeding. There is an accident and a person dies.If the prosecution tries the driver for the crime of "driving while intoxicated" then they cannot try him for another crime like "criminally negligent homicide" due to driving drunk because it derives from the same incident. (meaning both linked to driving drunk).That is Double Jeopardy. However, they can still charge him for homicide using other conduct to make their case. They can prosecute the driver for driving without a licence and for speeding which leads to "criminally negligent homicide".Thus, double Jeopardy actually does not have as big a loophole as Movies and show make it out to be. Yes, there are still slip ups and mistakes that are made. No Justice system is perfect. However, the modern Justice system functions with the philosophy that protecting citizens from wrongful prosecution is more important that being able to prosecute one criminal. Double Jeopardy might sometimes fail a victim's family but it protects millions of citizens all over the world from being victimized by the law or the government. It keeps the Justice system honest and hold them responsible. Because it exists Prosecution must give every case their best. They cannot do a sloppy job thinking they have a redo. Nor can they prosecute based on prejudice over and over for the same crime. This law require the government to put its best case forward, promotes efficiency and fairness, and ensures that no government can harass or abuse their powers by picking on citizens perceptually.
shocked that Joon Hee did that but it was unintentional so hope he won't be punished too hard :(
(copy pasted)Joon hits Bum once to stop him from killing Tae Suk. Then Joon snaps! Again and again he hits him. His facial expression says it all.Analysis: Joon has been the one character who is both mentally and emotionally sick. His instability is the result of his guilt and the peer pressure to continue to live a life his friends choose to live. He was so docile that he never though about leaving that circle. Instead he did what was indeed to be a part of that group. In in own words he wanted to hangout with them and thus turned a blind eye to their many miss-deeds. However, being a caring person this has eaten away at him from the inside. It manifested in drug addiction.Here, finally he snaps. He wanted to get a confession but things get complicated and Bum pulls a gun on Tae Suk. the two struggle and fight. Bum is overpowering Tae Suk. Joon repeats stop over and over. He has flashes of all that transpired and he doesn't think before acting. He just acts. He had the greatest potential of redemption but now he became a murderer.Can he ever move past this and the many wrongdoings he was a part off? I hope so. I believe the Justice system exists to protect the innocent, to keep law and order, to punish culprits, to seek justice on behalf of the victims and finally to reform the criminals.//when Taesuk let Bum get his way. He knew Joon would interfere. That's my number 1 villain right there. THE BEST VILLAIN IN KOREAN DRAMA.
(copy pasted)1)Ok, so the lawyer wants the LAW itself to change.Analysis: She is correct and incorrect at the same time. Minors cannot and should not be treated as adults under the Justice system. Their brains are not fully developed. Asking them to have the same degree of responsibility is simply not logical. Now lets talk about the part in LAW that can be changed and should be. As with every case there should be exceptions that are clearly defined. The 4 should not have had to do hard time but they should also have not walked away Scott free. In the USA depending on the severity of the crime/ even for murder we take in not just age but individual traits and circumstances into account when charging and recommending punishment for minors. Those boys should have been given more than community service.Furthermore, even if her motive is admirable and sympathetic her actions are not. To make the country take notice of the Law and need for reform she MURDERED several people. Out of the 3 murdered only the Noona was involved in the death of her daughter. In fact, the Noona by Law holds the majority of responsibility for the killing of the girl as she instructed to dump the body, devised the cover up, and was a teenager old enough to be an adult in a court of law. The other two victims she murdered were only guilty of accepting bribes to help cover up. While both are illegal and unethical actions neither of those crimes are equal to murder. Murdering them was 10 times worse than murdering the Noona girl. Serial Murder as a plot to get her ultimate revenge is still not justified.Also, how can she live with herself after getting the young Cop involved in Serial Murder? He was innocent and was a respected member of the law enforcement. She should at the very least be apologetic to that young man.2)Joon is gathering 4 of them to draw a confession and he warns the detective.Analysis: A bold move and also a bit desperate. He has been constantly struggling with inner demons. He feels a heavy burden of guilt and wants to make it right by confessing and claiming responsibility. If Joon succeeds he will have the chance in the future to start anew. If he fails then so many things could go wrong. The Hot head friend is unstable, the cool cunning friend is calculative and a cold blooded killer, the selfish idiot friend is always a coward who only thinks of himself and not anyone else. With these mix anything can happen. I hope the detective jumps into his car and drives with the sirens on and calls for backup.
(Copy pasted)Analysis continued: So, In Ho got the 2nd chance. Like in his childhood he had an accident and injured someone. In his childhood he make the wrong choice to follow directions and cover it up by dumping the body even after learning the girl was still alive. Given his youth and that he was a minor if he faced charges it could not have been harsh and he would have learnt responsibility. Now, as an adult he made another mistake leading to an injured Cop. It was an accident. He had the chance to come clean but his selfishness, his cowardliness, his lack of respect for people's lives and the law won out. His friend Tae Suk manipulated him perfectly to get what he wanted and in the process In Ho betrayed Soo Joon. In Ho was even stupid enough to show up at the hospital hoping to get rid of the cop. As I said last time. He can confess and it will be an accident or he covers it up and it becomes attempted murder. Well, turns out he turned an accident into a real crime. What an idiot!!The Lawyer, perhaps after her plans went wrong and so much hurt and damage she sees that her actions were not only wrong but futile. She sits with the Detective's adoptive father and asks how he forgave the boy who killed his son. That conversation reflects her own inability to move on and the small part of her that knows she needs to stop. She learns about forgiveness. She learns people can change. She knows the law and practices it every day. Now, she willingly gives herself up to the detective to be judged by that very law. Ultimately, Justice means facing the consequences of ones actions. I hope she gets her both for her actions and also receives justice for her daughter.The detective continues to be the catalyst of law and order. He is the face of Justice. Justice where one owns up to their crimes does their fair time and receives punishment. Justice is more than punishment it is reformation. Justice is not vengeance. He is living proof and he is the hope and light in all the darkness the other characters portray. Because of him the lawyer finally gives herself up. I hope he can bring justice for all involved.
(Copy pasted) "Continued Analysis: The detective remains the sole voice of reason and the only one following the law. He asks the lawyer do you see what you have done? Is this what you wanted? He is the instrument to show us the revenge is never the right course of action. The cost is already too high. He is slow but he is chipping away at the information. Soon, hopefully he gets the whole picture. He is also too kind. He didn't arrest his junior cop partner and he has still not taken action against the lawyer or the older hyung. I hope in his wish to make things right he doesn't forget that when Victims commit crime they too become criminals. I hope he stops the 4th murder and I hope he teaches us the real meaning of Justice.The Cop, is very much naive, foolish and wrong. He is attached to the lawyer and he follows her plans for vengeance. In the flashback we see him telling her he is in this till the end. He plans to continue with the revenge and killings. He says when it is all over they will live their life. As a law enforcement officer his statement is crazy. He should at least know that there is no living lives happily after committing murder. 4 children(yes bullies but children at the time of crime) killing one girl does not justify a Cop sworn to uphold the law to plan, aid, and abet Serial Murders and those dead aren't even the 4 culprits. I hope he survives and learns that vengeance is not Justice especially when killing individuals who are not culprits.The lawyer, is so human. She feels deeply the almost death of the young cop. She clearly cares. However, she is in too deep and too blinded by vengeance to see that she needs to stop. She was a victim but now she is a Serial Murder and criminal mastermind. I hope she can be talked down. She should find justice for her little girl and she should take responsibility for the Murders she has committed, the assessor to murder that she instigated and the corruption of a young police officer. She must also face her consequences in the end.In Ho, he is a coward and a selfish man. He is also a foolish man. When his friend wisely advises him to turn himself in his resistance was because he would be exposed and might never get to see his little daughter. This is utter foolishness. Not to mention not logical at all. If the injured Cop lives he will be identified. And even if the cop cannot identify him the investigators have a good chance to find him. All this means if the police come for him he becomes a criminal who tried to cover up an attempted murder. This would then escalate and become a serious offence which WILL lead to his wife taking away his daughter. On the other hand if he turns himself in, then there is No attempted murder. Because it really was a mistake. He did not intend to harm anyone. He reacted due to the trashed place and due to his fear that his daughter might be there and he saw a man with a knife. They struggled. And the cop fell on top of him and the knife. This was also an accident. If he tells his side he might only face assault charges since he did not really commit or attempt to commit murder. In Ho has a habit of making accidents into more serious crimes. This is his 2nd chance. He is no longer a child. He can understand and be held accountable for his actions to the full extent. Second changes don't come often in life. Up to now, You are an idiot but not evil. Now what you do NOW defines you. And more importantly it determines if you deserve to have the forgiveness of those you wronged and if you can be a good father to your children."
(Copy pasted)I've been thinking of this and I didn't want to bring it up but decided that perhaps we should examine terrible 4's actions when they were still kids from a legal and psychological perspective.First break down of facts:1) In Ho was driving the car with his friends and the poor boy there were bullying in tow. He was reckless, the night had set in, the street was curving and dark.2)A little girl was walking alone at night. She hears a speeding car, next hears the HONKs, she turns but is too slow. The Run hits her.3)The boys rush out. They are scared by the tone of their voices and look on their faces. Tae Suk picks up the phone and calls their Noona whom they all are attached too. She is Older. A teenager with the mental capacity of judgement and responsibility. She advises them to get rid of the body.4)She has closely manipulated the boys since they first met her. She uses her femininity as her means of control over boys who have crushes on her. After the incident, she is also the one without remorse who plans and instructs the boys NOT to take responsibility.5)The boys drag the body of the girl fearing that the car accident killed her only to discover she was still alive. In a moment of panic it is decided that it is too late to back off. Just throw the body.Laws in particular US Laws:1)The accident is exactly that by the law an accident. Meaning there was no malicious intent and no planned killing. It was childhood stupidity and even if an full grown adult was behind the wheels the Law would recognize an Accident as a tragic loss of life(unless the driver was drunk then it is manslaughter if an adult).2)In Ho is not guilty of murder because of the car accident. However, he is responsible for killing the girl by dumping her body. All of the 4 children share equal responsibility with the poor bullied boy having the least due to his impaired mental status.3)Even though all 4 children share responsibility for killing the girl they do qualify to be tried in a court of law as minors. The law in USA and in most global countries recognizes that children cannot be held to the same legal standards as full grown adults.(this is because medicine and psychology both prove that children's brains are not fully developed. This means even if they are old enough to understand what is wrong and what is right they still cannot fully comprehend the magnitude of their actions nor the consequences.)(Take the 4 boys as example. After the incident they were all scared and a few even shed tears. They committed a crime but they were not criminal masterminds nor did they understand the situation to its fullest. Now compare it to the older teenage Noona. She knew what she was doing. In this circumstance, she would actually be the primary criminal. She instigated the death of the girl and facilitated the cover up)4)While the 4 kids qualify for trial in Juvenile court that doesn't mean they cannot be tried for murder. Minors can be convicted for murders under special circumstances.5)However, it is to be notes in unusual and heinous crimes of murder where intent, planning, hate etc is visible the law does allow a Minor to be charged as an adult.Analysis: Given both the facts and the laws in place I believe that while all 4 of them committed a murder at that point in time and at that age they should be tried as Minors. With Noona taking on the the murder charge as an adult. Furthermore, I believe given her control over the children they should have not been tried for murder but given a lighter sentience such as manslaughter.Additional Analysis: Children who commit crimes and get away with them and are continued to be raised with bad influences and under the control of a sadistic Noona the boys had NO opportunity to grow up and become better people. They never learned responsibility, they never learned remorse, they never learned the value of life. Given their present situation it is not a surprise that one is posed to become psychopathic Killer who gets pleasure from killing while another is a sadist enjoying torching others with no regard to a person, one had become entangled in the Noona's web and was blackmailed into getting back into a relationship. He was blinded by his own thoughts, his own wants and his own needs and didn't even realize he treated his wife like a dictator and that he should be ashamed for cheating. And lastly, the weakest one had turned to drugs to cope with the pressures of society, family expectations and the ghosts from his past. He was helped along by Noona to seek comfort in drugs.Analysis of Lawyer: Given her history unto today her life has been heartbreaking. She suffered loss like which no parent should ever have to face. She did not get justice because the boys were 1) rich and 2)Minors. She almost died in a fire designed to take her life. She wanted to die but continued living for one purpose alone. Revenge. As a human being I can understand and sympathize with her. However, I cannot condone the Serial Murders she has committed up to now. If revenge was her point then first of all the targets should be directly those who killed her child. While officials and medical examiner were corrupt and took bribes they should never have been murdered. That is Not even revenge. That is Vigilante action where the punishment she gave them(murder/death) was greater than their crimes(accepting bribes and cover up). In society, laws are made because crimes cannot go unpunished but Justice is measured. Punishment must fit the crime. She is someone I feel for and am so sorry for and yet her Serial Murders are not forgivable. Unlike 4 scared boys under the influence of the Noona. She is an adult, brain fully developed. She knows and understands not only the crime but also all the implications. And what's worse she is a lawyer. Instead of holding up the law and teaching others to seek Justice she is out being a Vigilante killing those she deems necessary to complete her master plan of revenge.Analysis of Detective: After his own story from his Minor days is revealed he is someone we can look to in a new light. He is an example of the Justice system working correctly. He committed a crime as a minor, he stood trial and he was punished for it according to Juvenile laws. He learned responsibility and about consequences. He learned remorse and developed a desire to live his life helping others. He is also an example of why children are held to different legal standards. Children can be reformed easier. Also, he is a reminder to the boys that they need to own up their crimes. And finally, he is the voice of reason who tries to bring the lawyer and his junior partner back from the brink of no return. He is a naive man wanting to protect them but he is also a good man who understands the complexity of emotions, guilt, burdens, crimes, laws, and the insufficient justice so many victims face. Yet, in the face of all the bad he refused to become as dark as them.
"I'm glad, happy to see that punk trash get some blows to his ugly face from In Ho, but I would've buldozed his face from one wall to the other from the ground floor up and don't stop there either, he deserves to die if a big fricken way along with ahole Tae Su. Jung Mi, who the hell did that bitch think she was telling those punks to get rid of the body without seeing it, like she could give a damn, but then those punks, what the ? that they even called her for some f'n advice as to what to do with the body and stupid punks they listened to her, why, what the ? who made that bitch what "God". Glad she's dead, good for her, bitch, still yet being buried, they should've thrown her over the rocks into that fricken ocean like they did to that poor girl, son of a bitches, pathetic, good for nothing punks, all of them, aholes, so upset by all that, quite emotional for me, can't stand when people do that kind of shit and then get away with it where it concerns kids, young girls especially."//LOL.
yup, the new lead actress is more powerful in a way
"I prefer the new Choi Ja Hye (Park Jin Hee) now to be honest. She is perfect for the role. The way she looked at people(corner of her eyes or staring directly into their face), her body posture and gestures, right down to the new hairstyle are just meticulously "correct" for a female lawyer around that age. People have sent me all sorts of insults when I said Go Hyun Jung was "too b*tchy" and defended her because it was her "character's" trait but I beg to differ. Theres a clear difference between natural behaviour and acting. Hyun Jung has this condescending look when she talks to people in the show(head slanted , barely looking at them, like a rebellious teenage who thinks she know it all and have no patience to listen to "your crap") She wouldve NOT been able to carry the character portrayal properly after the recent plot twists and role transitions from a "righteous" and confident lawyer/presenter to a revengeful, determined and careful, scheming villainess IMO. Everytime she speaks to the 4 guys, Hyun Jung just sounded like a patronizing b*tch but when Park Jin Hee does it, she seemed more "dangerous." Even with just eye contact, I can feel her threat. But then again, people will always criticize somebody if they dont agree or share the same opinion anyways, so Id just take the opportunity and end it with, "Hyun Jung is FAT! And she tries too hard to look young with that make up!" -- My 64yr old asian mother watches the show and she said that. That aside, I cant wait for the next episode to see how the story unravels itself."